NRTW President Mark Mix on C-SPAN Labor Day 2014

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Pedro Echevarria
YOU DEFINE RIGHT WORK LAWS? GUEST: WE BELIEVE EVERY WORKER HAS A RIGHT TO JOIN THE UNION, THAT RIGHT IS PROTECTED AND IS IT. NO WORKER

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Mark Mix
SHOULD BE COMPELLED AS A CONDITION OF EMPLOYMENT TO PAY DUES OR FEES TO

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Mark Mix
A UNION TO GET OR KEEP A JOB. HOST: WHY NOT? GUEST: WE DON’T THINK IT’S FAIR. INDIVIDUALS HAVE CHOICES. WE BELIEVE THE COMPULSION IS

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Pedro Echevarria
WRONG IN EVERY INSTANCE.

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Mark Mix
ANY COMPULSION WE GIVE TO GOVERNMENT. THEY’RE MONOPOLISTIC. BUT WORKERS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SAY, FIRST, YOU MUST BE A MEMBER OF AN ORGANIZATION, WHICH IS KIND OF A REAL STRETCH. I THINK THE SUPREME COURT AGREED WITH THAT IN THE 1960s, HE SAID, YOU KNOW, WE CAN’T MAKE YOU A FORMAL MEMBER OF A UNION, OF A PRIVATE ORGANIZATION, BUT WE CAN MAKE YOU PAY 100% OF THE DUES AND FEES. THE RIGHT TO WORK ARE SIMPLE, THEY PROTECT THE RIGHT TO JOIN A UNION BUT YOU CAN’T BE FIRED IF YOU DON’T AGREE. HOST: THE PEOPLE WHO DON’T WANT TO PAPE THE FEES THE SAME PROTECTION AS THOSE IN THE UNION AS FAR AS THE EMPLOYMENT AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. GUEST: IT’S

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Pedro Echevarria
THE INTERESTING QUESTION ABOUT LABOR LAW. THE UNION OFFICIALS HAVE THE PRIVILEGE TO IMPOSE THEMSELVES ON EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN A BARGAINING UNIT THROUGH THE MEANS OF

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Mark Mix
EXCLUSIVE MONOPOLY REPRESENTATION. ONCE THE UNION IS CERTIFIED AND IN THE WORK PLACE, THAT NO WORKER CAN TALK DIRECTLY TO THE EMPLOYER, THE EMPLOYER CAN’T DEAL WITH AN INDIVIDUAL EMPLOYEE ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS. EVERYONE HAS TO BE IN A COLLECTIVE. UNION OFFICIALS — USE THIS POWER OF MONOPOLY REPRESENTATION TO FORCE EVERYTHING IN THE COLLECTIVE. WORKERS IN AMERICA SOMETIMES BELIEVE THEY MAY GET DIFFERENT BENEFITS OR CERTAIN THINGS BENEFIT THEM FROM OTHER WORKERS. THE FACT IS, WORKERS, THEIR VOICES ARE MITIGATED ON WHATF OF THE VOICES AS THE WHOLE. SOME PEOPLE SAY THAT’S A GREAT THING. I WOULD SAY NOT NECESSARILY. THE FIRST AMENDMENT OF THE CONSTITUTION, THE BILL OF RIGHTS, WAS ALL ABOUT CERTAIN RIGHTS THAT INDIVIDUALS HAD. THE RIGHT TO SPEAK FOR YOURSELF IS SOMETHING YOU SHOULD NEVER BE SUBJECTED TO IN ELECTION HOST: IF I DON’T PAY THE FEES, I STILL GET REPRESENTATION. GUEST: THAT’S NOT YOUR FAULT, THE UNION’S FAULT. A MOTTO THAT HAS BEEN LEGAL. THEY’RE GOING TO DO MEMBER ONLY BARGAINING.

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Mark Mix
BARGAINING FOR THOSE WHO WANT B MEMBERS. IF THEY GET BENEFITS FOR THOSE FOLKS, WORKERS WILL JOIN THEM IF THEY’RE PROVIDING GOOD SERVICES. NOW AS THE EXCLUSIVE BARGAINING AGENT, THE ONLY VOICE IN THE WORK PLACE THAT TAKES AWAY THE INDIVIDUAL’S RIGHT TO NEGOTIATE AND TO TALK TO AN EMPLOYER OR AN EMPLOYER TO REWARD GOOD BEHAVIOR, GOOD WORK, SET ASIDE WORK, THOSE ARE URNED THE BARGAINING AGREEMENT THAT THE OFFICIALS — USE AND THEY — USE IT AS THE CONTACTS ARE SAYING, WELL, WE HAVE TO REPRESENT THE WORKERS. NOT TRUE, THEY DON’T HAVE TO. HOST: HOW MANY STATES HAVE THESE LAWS? GUEST: 24. HOST WHO GOT ADDED. GUEST: INDIANA AND MICHIGAN ADDED

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Pedro Echevarria
LAWS. HOST:

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Mark Mix
OTHER STATES CONSIDERING IT? GUEST: MISSOURI,

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Mark Mix
KENTUCKY, MONTANA, THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL RIGHT TO WORK LAWS INTRODUCED

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Pedro Echevarria
IN SEVERAL STATES. BE HOST: WHAT DRIVES THEM TO CREATE THESE LAWS DO YOU THINK?

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Mark Mix
GUEST: IT’S THE INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM THAT THE RIGHT TO WORK LAW BRINGS. IF YOU LOOK AT THE ECONOMIC SITUATION IN THE UNITED STATES, THE PRIVATE SECTOR JOB GROWTH IS INCREASING, THE COMPANIES

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Mark Mix
ARE CITING NEW FACILITIES. RIGHT TO WORK STATES ARE DEMONSTRABLY BETTER IN ATTRACTING JOBS IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR SINCE 2008. BUT BEFORE THAT. AN ECONOMIC DECISION. THEY WORK WITH COMPANIES THAT WANT TO LOCATE OR EXPAND FACILITIES, THEY SAY 50, SOMETIMES ALMOST 75% OF THE PEOPLE LOOKING TO EXPAND OR RELOCATE WILL CONSIDER RIGHT TO WORK STATES AS A POTENTIAL SIGHTING SELECTION FOR THEIR NEW INVESTMENT. HOST: MARK MIX TALKING ABOUT RIGHT TO WORK ISSUES AND THE LAWS IN THE UNITED STATES. IF YOU WANT TO ASK HIM QUESTIONS, 202-585-3880 FOR

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Pedro Echevarria
DEMOCRATS, 202-585-3881 FOR REPUBLICANS AND 3882 FOR INDEPENDENTS. KAREN IS FROM FLORIDA, HELLO. CALLER: RECENTLY RETIRED, I LIVE IN FLORIDA IN THE RIGHT TO WORK STATE. THE RIGHT TO WORK HAS NOTHING TO TO DO WITH THE EMPLOYEE. IT GIVES ALL OF

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CALLER
THE RIGHTS TO WORK TO THE EMPLOYER. YOU HAVE TO GIVE NOTICE WHEN YOU LEAVE. THEY CAN FIRE YOU, THEY CAN WALK YOU OUT THE DOOR THAT MINUTE. THEY HAVE NO UNION EMPLOYEES. I’M A NURSE. A RETIRED NURSE. ON THE RARE OCCASION OF MY 40 YEARS OF WORK, THEY WILL ON OCCASION TRY TO GET A UNION IN. THEY WERE IN — LET ME TELL YOU, THEY SAT ON THE EMPLOYEES THAT WERE IN THERE. YOU COULDN’T VISIT OR TALK. AND IF YOU DID, GUARANTEED IN TWO WEEKS THEY WOULD FIND A REASON TO LET YOU GO. GUEST: AT WILL EMPLOYMENT LAWS IN SEVERAL STATES. THEY’S DISTINCT FROM RIGHT TO WORK LAWS. THE AT WILL IS AS KAREN DESCRIBES THE NOTION THAT THE

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Mark Mix
EMPLOYER SAYS I HAVE CA– USE TO BELIEVE WE NEED TO FIRE YOU. THAT’S THE AT WILL EMPLOYMENT DOCTRINE. STATES THAT DON’T B HAVE RIGHT TO WORK. BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS RIGHT TO WORK IS SIMPLY ABOUT A WORK HERB’S RIGHT TO CHOOSE ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT TO SUPPORT A LABOR UNION. A DIFFERENT DOCTRINE, A DIFFERENT PART OF THE LAW AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FL’S RIGHT TO WORK LAW. IF IN FLORIDA YOU WANTED TO FORM THE UNION, THE RIGHT TO FORM THAT UNION IS PROTECTED. THE EMPLOYER IS REGULATED AND THERE ARE CERTAIN LAWS ABOUT WHAT THEY CAN AND CAN’T DO. WHAT THEY CAN SAY, WHAT THEY CAN’T SAY. AND SO THOSE RULES ARE PROMULGATED IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR BY THE NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD IN WASHINGTON, D.C. AND FORCED BY THE NLRB. AND THE EMPLOYEES HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO THE NLRB PROCESS. A DIFFICULT ONE TO NAVIGATE. CERTAIN LAWS SET OUT WHAT THEY CAN AND CANNOT DO. HOIST: THIS IS PAUL, GO AHEAD. CALLER: YEAH, HELLO. HOST: YEAH, GO AHEAD. CALLER: I’M HERE. HOST: WE’RE GOING TO PUT YOU ON HOLD. WHILE YOU’RE PUTTING YOUR

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CALLER
TELEVISION ON MUTE IF YOU COULD. JOE, THE CALIFORNIA

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Pedro Echevarria
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CALLER
LINE. CALLER: I WOULD LIKE THE GUEST TO TALK

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Pedro Echevarria
ABOUT HOW THEY — USE THE TACTICS TO ATTACK AMERICAN LABOR. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT

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CALLER
THAT I HAVE A HIGH SCHOOL EDUCATION. I’M 62 YEARS OLD. UNION JOB, MY HO– USE IS PAID OFF, MY CAR IS PAID OFF. I HAVE RETIREMENT, I HAVE HEALTH CARE. I HAVE PAID VACATION, PAID HOLIDAYS, PAID SICK TIME. I HAVE PUT TWO KIDS THROUGH COLLEGE. HOST: WHAT DO YOU DO? CALLER: I WORK FOR A GOVERNMENT CONTRACTOR AT THE ARMY TRAINING CENTER IN FT.ER WIN. I WORKED FOR VARIOUS

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Pedro Echevarria
CONTRACTORS IN THE LAST 25 YEARS OR SO. AND I, YOU

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CALLER
KNOW, FOR US, IT’S SUPPORT THE TROOPS SUSPECT B A CLICHE, IT’S OUR JOB. GUEST: SOUNDS LIKE A VERY, VERY HAPPY VOLUNTEER UNION MEMBER. GOOD FOR YOU. THAT’S WHAT UNIONS OUGHT TO BE DOING. YOU’RE HAPPY WITH THE SERVICE. NOTHING STOPPED THEM FROM JOINING

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Mark Mix
THEM, YOU CAN SUPPORT ALL OF THE THINGS THEY DO. YOU DO THAT VOLUNTARILY AND THEY PROVIDE A GREAT SERVICE FOR YOU. AS IT RELATED TO THE AMERICAN LEGISLATIVE EXCHANGE COUNCIL, WE’RE NOT A MEMBER OF THE AMERICAN LEJTS LATIVE EXCHANGE COUNCIL, THEY PUT LEGISLATORS TOGETHER FROM ACROSS THE COUNTRY. THEY WERE THE LARGEST LEGISLATIVE GROUP IN THE COUNTRY; 3,000 LEGISLATORS WOULD ATTEND. THEY PROVIDE IDEAS ABOUT MODEL LEGISLATION. RIGHT TO WORK IS ONE THAT ALEC HAS INTRODUCED IN THE PAST. WE PRODUCED MEETINGS WHERE LEGISLATORS COME TOGETHER, GET IDEAS, TALK ABOUT ISSUES IN THE MARKETPLACE. AND ALEC CORPORATE SPONSORS JUST LIKE NATIONAL STATE LEGISLATURES AS WELL. THEY PARTICIPATE IN THAT PROCESS. HOST: ADEN IS ON OUR REPUBLICAN LINE. ADEN, GO AHEAD, PLEASE. CALLER: YEAH, I — I WAS A UNION MEMBER

00:09:12
Pedro Echevarria
AND THEY JUST KIND OF DIDN’T

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CALLER
LOOK TO NEGOTIATE WITH ME AND WHEN I GOT A UNION INVOLVED, THEY DIDN’T REALLY WORK FOR ME. AND I DIDN’T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING IN ANY KIND OF — I JUST FEEL LIKE THE UNIONS WEREN’T WORKING WITH ME AND LIKE UNLESS THERE WERE UNIONS INVOLVED IN IT, THEY DIDN’T — THE MANAGEMENT DIDN’T WORK ON A ONE-ON-ONE BASIS LIKE YOU WERE SAYING. SO I’M JUST KIND OF AGREE WITH YOU AND SAY THAT THE RIGHT TO WORK IS PROBABLY A BETTER IDEA? GUEST: THAT’S RIGHT, UNDER THE EXCLUSIVE BARGAINING PRIVILEGE, THE EMPLOYER CAN BE CHARGED WITH UNFAIR LABOR PRACTICE IF THEY NEGOTIATE OR TALK WITH AN INDIVIDUAL EMPLOYEE WHEN A CONTRACT

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Mark Mix
IS ENFORCED THERE. THEY CAN’T ADJUDICATE A PROBLEM. IF YOU HAVE AN ISSUE WITH YOUR PAY STUB, THE EMPLOYER SAYS YOU’VE BEEN DOING GREAT WORK AND WE WANT TO INCREASE YOUR SALARY, YOU SAY, NO, THERE’S A VIOLATION OF A CONTRACT. UNFAIR LABOR PRACTICES IN THE NEGOTIATION BETWEEN YOU AND THE EMPLOYER AND GET THE $1 RAISE TAKEN AWAY BECA– USE OF THE EXCLUSIVE MONOPOLY BARGAINING POWER THEY HAVE IN THE WORK PLACE. THAT’S AN INJUSTICE FOR THE INDIVIDUAL EMPLOYEE. THEY TAKE AWAY THIS RIGHT. IN THE U.S. SUPREME COURT ARGUMENT WE JUST HAD ON JUNE 30, WE ARGUED A CASE ON JANUARY 31, SAM ALETO ASKED A SERIES OF QUESTIONS OF A UNION LAWYER PAUL SMITH ABOUT THE IDEA THAT IN A CONTRACT NEGOTIATION, THERE COULD BE ISSUES WHERE SMUN WHO’S 24 YEARS OLD WOULD BENEFIT DRAMATICALLY BY A POCKET OF MONEY THAT COULD GO FOR CASH, BASICALLY RAISE VERSUS INCREASE IN PENSION. SOMEONE WHO’S 64 YEARS OLD IS OBVIOUSLY MORE INTERESTED IN THE PENSION. SAM ALETO ASKED, YOU KNOW, DO YOU RECALL THAT PERSON WHO DISAGREES WITH WHAT THE UNION IS DOING FOR THEM, WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT PERSON? DO YOU CALL THAT PERSON AS SOME KIND OF A FREE RIDER FOR SOMETHING IN AND PAUL SMITH SAID, YEAH, THEY WOULD BE. AND HERE HE ADMITTED OPENLY IN SUPREME COURT ARGUMENTS THAT THE WORKERS COULD BE NEGATIVELY BENEFITTED BUT YET FORCED TO ACCEPT THE REPRESENTATION AND IN STATES WITHOUT RIGHT TO WORK LAWS, THEY’RE FORCED TO PAY FOR THE INJUSTICE. HOST: THE RIGHT TO WORK LAWS, THE UH RESULT OF GAINING FEWER MEMBERS AND LESS MONEY THROUGH DUES AND AGENCY FEES TO SUPPORT THE COLLECTIVE

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Pedro Echevarria
BARGAINING ACTIVITIES IS STRENGTHENING THE EMPLOYERS’ HAND IN COLLECTIVE BARGAINING NEGOTIATIONS, A TREND THAT OBVIOUSLY BODES WELL FOR THE WORKERS SUFFERING LOW WAGES AS A RESULT. GUEST: I DON’T KNOW THE CONTEXT. I THINK I DID READ THAT ARTICLE. IN TENNESSEE, THE VOLKSWAGEN PLANT. YOU TALKED ABOUT THAT SITUATION. WE ENDED UP REPRESENTING THE EMPLOYEES

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Mark Mix
AT VOLKSWAGEN. WE WERE THEIR LAWYERS FILING UNFAIR PRACTICE CHARGES NOT ONLY AGAINST UTE ID AUTO WORKERS AND VOLKSWAGEN IN AN INTERESTING SITUATION DOWN THERE. NOTHING IN A RIGHT TO WORK STATE STOPS ANYONE FROM WANTING TO JOIN THE UNION. THAT’S THE ISSUE — UNION OFFICIALS BELIEVE SOMEHOW THE UNIONS EXIST AND WE KNOW PEDRO IN SEVERAL RIGHT TO WORK STATES, HIGHER UNION DENSITY IN STATES THAT DON’T HAVE RIGHT TO WORK LAWS. I DON’T KNOW HOW TO EXPLAIN IT OTHER THAN UNION OFFICIALS REALIZE THEY’RE IN THE MARKETPLACE. IF THEY’RE GOING TO GET SERVICES AND GET PEOPLE TO JOIN THEM AND PAY REVENUE, THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE GOOD SERVICES TO WORKERS. IF THEY DO THAT, WORKERS WILL COME. HOST: HERE IS MICHAEL, GO AHEAD. CALLER: YES, MY NAME IS MICHAEL.

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Pedro Echevarria
AND THEN DISTRICT — NOT THE RIGHT — WORKING FOR THE COMPANY AND TENDED TO JOIN THE UNION BY

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CALLER
TENNESSEE, THEY DO SO MUCH TO DESTROY — TO — GO AHEAD TO DESTROY THE UNION. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE COMPANIES THAT HAVE A STRONG UNION, THE WHOLE COUNTRY — THE MIDDLE CLASS IS STRONGER. AND THEY DEPARTMENT KNOW — LIKE I SAID, THE LAST THING IN THE UNION DID IS — THE WAGES ARE STRAGGLING BECA– USE THE RIGHT TO WORK LAWS. GUEST: YEAH, IN TENNESSEE — THE COMMENTS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IN TENNESSEE IS THE VOLKSWAGEN UNIONIZATION DRIVE IN CHAT NO GEE. THEY WERE TRYING TO GET THE

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Mark Mix
UAW INTO THE WORK PLACE. IN FACT, WE HAD TO FILE AN UNFAIR LABOR CHARGE AGAINST THE UNITED AUTO WORKERS AND VOLKSWAGEN BECA– USE OF SOME OF THE ACTIONS THEY TOOK TO FORCE THE UNION INSIDE. IT TURNS OUT IN THAT SITUATION IN TENNESSEE, WHAT THE UNION WANTED WAS A CARD CHECK WHERE YOU DON’T HAVE A SECRET BALLOT. WORKERS CAN’T GO BEHIND A CURTAIN AND PRIVATELY VOTE FOR YES OR NO. THEY WANTED A CARD CHECK CERTIFICATION WHICH SAYS IF I CAN GET YOU TO SIGN A CARD, THAT CARD COUNTS AS A VOTE AND THAT VOTE IS IN FAVOR OF THE UNION. ONCE THE UNION GETS A MAJORITY OF THOSE CARDS SIGNED, THE EMPLOYER ACCEPTS THEM AND THE UNION REPRESENTS EVERY SINGLE WORKER IN THE BARGAINING UNION EXCEPT EVEN THOSE WORKERS WHO DIDN’T WANT TO SIGN A CARD. WHAT HAPPENED IN TENNESSEE WAS THE EMPLOYER AND THE UNION GOT TOGETHER. THE EMPLOYEE SAID NO, WE’RE NOT INTERESTED. THEY FOUGHT BACK. THE UAW CLAIMED THEY HAD A MAJORITY OF THE CARDS, BUT NO ONE SAW THE CARDS. WE FILED UNFAIR LABOR PRACTICE CHARGES ABHOW THEY WERE OBTAINED. GIVING AWAY TICKETS TO AN AM– USEMENT PARK AND OTHER THINGS. THE WORKERS IN CHATTANOOGA VOTED AGAINST THE UAW. NOW WE’RE IN THE PROCESS OF LOOKING AT A SITUATION WHERE THE UNITED AUTO WORKERS ARE SETTING UP A NEW LOCAL UNION, LOCAL 42 IN CHATTANOOGA AND IT IS A MEMBER ONLY UNION. EXCITING TO SEE WHAT THEY’RE DOING THEY REALIZED IF THEY PRODUCTS TO WORKERS, THEY WANT TO JOIN VOLUNTARILY, THEY’RE NOT CHARGING DUES AND THEY CAN’T FORCE ANYONE TO PAY DUES IN TENNESSEE. THEY SAID, HEY, WE’VE GOT A MAJORITY, THEY’RE VOLUNTEER TO OUR UNION. CAN YOU RECOGNIZE US. TO YOUR POINT, IN TENNESSEE, THE EMPLOYER AND THE UNION OFFICIALS TRYING TO GET THE WORKERS TO JOIN THE UNION. WHEN THEY VOTED IN A SECRET BALLOT, THAT I VOTED AGAINST REPRESENTATION. HOST: CAN UNION WORKERS OPT OUT OF PAYING FOR DUES. GUEST: NOT EASY, THEY CAN. A DIFFICULT DECISION FOR THEM. TWO CASES IN THE RIGHT TO WORK FOUNDATION LITIGATED

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Pedro Echevarria
BOTH OF THEM. IT WAS A SUPREME COURT CASE THAT WAS DECIDED

00:15:48
Mark Mix
IN 1988. WHAT THE SUPREME COURT SAID IN THAT CASE, WE FOUND OUT THERE WAS A TELEPHONE LINE, HARRY BECK OUT IN OREGON. HE LIVES IN LA PLATA, MARYLAND. HE FOUND OUT HE WAS SPENDING HIS MONEY ON THINGS HE DIDN’T AGREE WITH IN CANDIDATE. HE FILED A LAWSUIT, WEPT ALL THE WAY BACK TO NLRB IN NEW YORK. THEY WERE SPENDING 19% OF ALL OF THE UNION DUES FOR THOSE IN COLLECTIVE BARGAINING ARBITRATION. SO THE COURTS SAY YOU HAVE TO LET THE UNION CHARGE FOR THOSE FEES AND YOU CAN’T FORCE THEM TO PAY FOR THOSE THINGS. BUT FOR HARRY BECK, WHATE WILL HAD TO DO IS DECIDE WEAN THE WORK PLACE RIGHTS AND THE POLITICAL RIGHTS. IN ORDER FOR HARRY BECK TO VOTE ON THE CONTRACT, TO VOTE ON THE UNION LEADERSHIP ABOUT HOW IT PAYS FOR EMPLOYMENT. TO PAY FOR ANY OF THE ACTIVITY, HE HAD TO BE A EBB MANY OF THE UNION, BUT IF HE WAS A MEMBER OF THE UNION, ANY MONEY HE SPENT FOR DUES COULD BE — USED FOR POLITICAL CA– USES. HE HAD TO RESIGN MEMBERSHIP, GET A REDUCED PAYMENT OF FEES, HE HAD TO GIVE UP ON WORK PLACE CONTRACTS. TO VOTE IN ELECTIONS. IT’S A CHOICE THAT WORKERS SHOULDN’T HAVE. WHAT’S MORE IMPORTANT, YOUR CONSCIOUS, YOUR ISSUES? OR BEING INVOLVED IN AN ACTIVE PART OF THE WORK PLACE? YOU KNOW, WORKERS SHOULDN’T BE FORCED TO MAKE THAT DECISION. BUT IT’S THE MONOPOLY BARGAINING POWER OF ORGANIZED LABOR THAT FORCED THEM BACK IN THE DECISION. A SIMILAR CASE, A BOOED, A HUDSON AND IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR IN THE GOVERNMENT SECTOR, SAME TYPE OF RIGHTS. BUT, AGAIN, THE SAME ISSUE OF HAVING TO GIVE UP ONE SET OF RIGHTS TO PROTECT ANOTHER. >> JOHN IN WINTER HAVEN, FLORIDA, GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING. I’M CALLING BECA– USE I HAVE IN MY WORK HISTORY BEEN A

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Unidentified Speaker
UNION OFFICER REPORTING DIRECTLY

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Unidentified Speaker
BACK TO GEORGE MEANIE AND LATER BECAME A LABOR RELATION EXECUTIVE IN MANAGEMENT AND BOTH CASES I NEGOTIATED LABOR CONTRACTS. AND WE’VE ONLY SEEM TO HEAR ONE SIDE OF IT. THE UNIONS, BASICALLY WHEN I WAS A UNION OFFICER AS WELL AS WHEN I WAS A MANAGEMENT REPRESENTATIVE, WE’RE AT THE BARGAINING TABLE, EVERY ONE OR TWO YEARS FOR WAGES, THAT’S WHAT THE UNION DID TO HELP THE WORKERS OUT. OTHER THAN THAT, THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES AMOUNTED TO HELPING POOR WORKERS WHO WERE NOT DOING THE JOB THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE OR WORKERS WHO WERE BREAKING THE RULES OF THE COMPANY AND TO PROTECT IT FROM DISCIPLINARY ACTION. AND THAT’S BASICALLY ALL THE UNIONS PERFORMED FOR THE WORKERS. >> YEAH, YOU KNOW. WHAT HAPPENS IN THE BARGAINING PROCESS. I HAVE NOT NEGOTIATED THE CONTRACT BACK AND FORTH. WE REPRESENTED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF

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Unidentified Speaker
EMPLOYEES. SOME WERE FORMER UNION OFFICERS AND TOLD STORIES LIKE THAT. BUT CERTAINLY IF THERE’S A PLACE FOR WORKERS JOINING TOGETHER VOLUNTARILY TO INCREASE THE VOLUME OF THEIR VOICE. NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT. THERE’S ALWAYS BEEN A PLACE, THERE WILL BE A PLACE FOR WORKERS JOINED TOGETHER VOLUNTARILY. WHAT WE WILL SAY TO THE RIGHT TO WORK ORGANIZATIONS, THERE’S NO PLACE FOR COMPULSION IN THAT PROCESS. IF YOU HAVE TO FORCE WORKERS TO PAY FEES AND DUES TO GET OR KEEP A JOB IN AMERICA, YOU’VE GONE BEYOND WHAT YOU COULD BE DOING IF YOU WERE ACTUALLY CONVINCING THE WORKERS TO JOIN YOU VOLUNTARILY. WE KNOW ANY ORGANIZATION THAT’S BROUGHT TOGETHER THROUGH VOLUNTARY MEANS IS INHERENTLY STRONGER. SAMUEL KNEW THIS. HE KNEW VOLUNTEERISM WAS THE KEY FOR STRONG UNION MOVEMENTS. SINCE 1945, HERE IN WASHINGTON, LABOR UNION OFFICIALS CAME AND LOBBIED CONGRESS FOR LABOR POLICIES, DICTATE LABOR POLICIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY. ONE OF THE PRIMARY COMPONENTS OF THAT POLICY IS THE ABILITY TO COMPEL PEOPLE INTO THE UNIONS. INSTEAD OF GOING OUT AND RECRUITING WORKERS, PROVIDING SERVICE TO THEM, THEY — USE GOVERNMENT POWER TO FORCE THEM IN. THAT CA– USES UNREST IN THE UNION. IT’S A PROBLEM FOR THEM. HOST: ANOTHER JOHN FROM MT. AIRY, MARYLAND, REPUBLICAN LINE, HI. CALLER: HI. I WANTED TO SAY I STARTED WITH SAFEWAY IN ’68.

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Pedro Echevarria
WE HAD A VERY STRONG UNION

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CALLER
THAT I STARTED OUT WITH $1.75 AN HOUR PART TIME. WORKS MYSELF UP TO FULL TIME CHECKER AND UP TO DAIRY MANAGER. AND LATER ON, MUCH LATER ON, MANY YEARS INTO THE COMPANY, WE VOTED ON A CONTRACT THAT WE WASN’T HAPPY WITH. AND WE VOTED TO STRIKE. ALL RIGHT? SO WE WENT ON STRIKE. THE NEXT — THE NEXT DAY, THE JUDGE ORDERED US BACK TO WORK. BUT WE HAD TO — WE HAD TO HAVE ANOTHER UNION MEETING AND WE WENT — WE WENT TO THE MEETING AND WE FOUND OUT THAT THE — THAT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNION HAD ALREADY SIGNED THE CONTRACT. EVEN THOUGH WE VOTED AGAINST THE CONTRACT AND VOTED TO STRIKE. SO WE HAD — WE HAD TO — WE HAD TO GO BACK TO WORK. WITH THE NEW CONTRACT HE’D SIGNED. HOST: LEAVE IT THERE. LET OUR GUEST RESPOND. GUEST: DIFFICULT SITUATION. DON’T KNOW EXACTLY THE DETAILS OF IT. YOU DO SEE THE CONFLICT BETWEEN UNION LEADERSHIP AND RANK AND

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Pedro Echevarria
FILE WORKERS, WE SAW IT AT BOEING. THE

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Mark Mix
INTERNATIONAL MACHINIST HAT ONE CONTRACT. THE RANK AND FILE IN BOEING HAD ANOTHER VIEW. AND THERE WAS A CONFLICT INSIDE THE UNION THAT CA– USED TROUBLE. THE UNITED FOOD AND COMMERCIAL WORKER LOCAL 400 THAT’S A STRONG UNION. THEY DO A GOOD JOB WITH THEIR MEMBERS. IN VIRGINIA, OBVIOUSLY THE MEMBERS OF THE LOCAL UNION HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE WHETHER OR NOT TO FINANCIALLY SUPPORT THAT UNION. WE THINK IT MAKES THEM MORE ACCOUNTABLE. IN MARYLAND, THEY DON’T YOU. CAN BE COMPELLED TO PAY — USER FEES OR LOSE YOUR JOB IN THAT STATE BECA– USE IT DOES NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO WORK LAW. HOST: THE AFL-CIO, THEY LIST A COUPLE OF THINGS, THE AVERAGE WORKER MAKES ABOUT $1500 A YEAR LESS, THE MEDIAN HO– USE WITH INCOMES IS $6400 LESS THAN OTHER STATES.

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Pedro Echevarria
THEY SAY IN STATES WITH RIGHT TO WORK LAWS, 26%% OF JOBS ARE LOW-WAGE OCCUPATIONS COMPARED WITH 19% IN OTHER STATES GUEST: YEAH, THE AFL-CIO PUT OUT THAT STUDY PAGE. IT WAS INTERESTING. WE HAD A DISCUSSION OVER THAT VERY ISSUE. BASICALLY WHAT HAPPENED IN THE AFL-CIO IS THEY DO NOT ADJUST FOR COST OF LIVING. IF YOU ADJUST, YOU FIND OUT WORKERS IN RIGHT TO WORK STATES HAVE $2300 IN PURCHASING POWER, DISPOSABLE INCOME IN THOSE STATES VERSUS FORCED STATES. WE KNOW THAT BECA– USE THE AFL-CIO AFFILIATE DID THE STUDY FOR US. THEY TOOK ALL OF THE SALARIES AND TOOK CAST OF LIVING-ADJUSTED WAGES AND TRIED TO PROVE THAT THE TEACHERS IN CALIFORNIA WERE MAKING LESS THAN TEACHERS IN SOME OTHER STATE BECA– USE THEY WANTED A PAY RAISE IN CALIFORNIA. THEY WE TOOK THE METHODOLOGY AND LAID IT OVER THE RIGHT TO WORK STATES VERSUS NONRIGHT TO WORK STATES. WORKERS IN RIGHT TO WORK STATES HAD MORE DISPOSABLE INCOME. IT MAKES SENSE TO COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES. IF YOU TAKE A PLUMBER IN MANHATTAN AND A PLUMBER IN UTAH AND COMPARE THEIR WAGES, SURELY THE PLUMBER IN MANHATTAN MAKES MORE MONEY. BUT HOW FAR DOES THE MONEY GO? DOES COST MAKE A DIFFERENCE? IT DOES. DAVID, IN HIS GROUP IN THE AMERICAN CENTER FOR AMERICAN PROGRESS DID A STUDY AND FOUND THEY HIRED DISPOSABLE INCOME. AN AGI OVER $2,000, YOU TAKE THEM OUT, IT’S WORSE. YOU LOOK AT THE IRS, YOU HAVE THE HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF WORKERS MAKING OVER $200,000. IF YOU TAKE IT OUT, THE DIFFERENCE GETS BETTER FOR WORKERS IN RIGHT TO WORK STATES. HOST: YOU’RE HEARING THE RIGHT TO WORK LEGAL DEFENSE FOUNDATION. LET ME PUSH THE BUTTON, ROBERT FROM SAN JOSE. GOOD MORNING. CALLER: GOOD

00:23:59
Pedro Echevarria
MORNING. OVER THE LAST TWO HOURS,IVE EVE BEEN WATCHING. THIS THING COMES UP SO MUCH, IT’S KIND OF AN OVERCAST, OKAY, THAT THE

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CALLER
COMPANIES ARE MAKING MONEY, MAKING MONEY, AND PUTTING THE MONEY BACK IN. AND THE PRODUCTIVE RISE THAT’S GONE ON. AND THE WAGE EARLIER I’LL START WITH THAT — BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE TIME CYCLE, YOU CAN — YOU CAN MEASURE MOST OF THAT FROM THE ADVENT OF THE MICROCHIP. ON THAT — OVER 60 YEARS OF WORKING, I STARTED OUT AS A MIXING MILKS WITH HAND SCOOP AND I FIND THAT JOB HAS BEEN AUTOMATED. YOU WALK IN NOW, THERE’S A MACHINE. THEY JUST PUT IT THERE — THERE, MILK. MILK. OTHER JOBS INCLUDING ONE OF THE JOBS OUT OF COLLEGE WAS TO BE AN AIRCRAFT CARRIER FIGHTER PILOT. AND GUESS WHAT? THEY AUTOMATED THAT. 30 YEARS AGO, AND THIS WILL BE MY LAST POINT, WHEN I WORKLED FOR IBM, I WENT DOWN TO A BASEMENT IN CHICAGO UNDERNEATH McDONALD’S. AND IBM PEOPLE HAD PUT A COMPUTER IN THERE TO START INSPECTED HOW THE ORDERS WERE PLACED AND TO AUTOMATE THAT WHOLE THING THAT WE’VE ALL SEEN AT THE COUNTER. LET ME JUST REMIND YOU OF THIS — IF YOU TRY TO JACK UP THE MINIMUM WAGES IN SOME ARBITRARY WAY, YOU’RE GOING TO TURN THAT MACHINE AROUND AND THE CUSTOMER CAN ENTER THAT ORDER JUST AS WELL. HOST: THANKS, CALLER. GUEST: I WAS IN A SMALL TOWN IN TEXAS. REAL QUICK. I WAS IN A SMALL TOWN IN TEXAS A MONTH AGO, THERE WAS A SODA FOUNTAIN DOWN THERE. THERE

00:25:54
Pedro Echevarria
MAY BE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE SKILL YOU HAVE. THERE’S

00:25:56
Mark Mix
SOMETHING ABOUT THAT. INKROOSED PRODUCTIVITY, INCREASED TECHNOLOGY. THERE ARE THINGS, CALLED, QUOTE LABOR-SAVING DEVICES, PEDRO, THAT PEOPLE IMPLEMENT TO MAKE LIFE AND JOB EASIER. THAT’S ONE OH IT WAS THINGS WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH. I WON’T SPEAK FOR EVERYONE. BUT I THINK FROM MY STAND POINT, YOU’RE SILTING HERE WITH AN iPAD SURFACE COMPUTER, A CAMERA OVERHEAD, LIGHTS, TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED STUDIO. IT’S GOOD THINGS. IT HELPS YOU GET THE WORD OUT BETTER IN A MORE EFFECTIVE WAY. HOST: THE CALLER MENTIONED McDONALD’S. GET THE NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD DECISION ON McDONALD’S? GUEST:

00:26:37
Pedro Echevarria
JOINT LIABILITY. FRANCHISOR BY A FRANCHISEE. RICHARD GRIFFITH OF THE NLRB MAID A RULING

00:26:51
Mark Mix
THAT SAYS THEY COULD BE HELD JOINTLY LIABLE FOR THE ACTS OF THE FRANCISEE. IT’S WELL ESTABLISHED IN AMERICAN BUSINESS. I MEAN, I DON’T KNOW HOW MANY BUSINESSES WE GO IN THE A DAILY BASIS. WHAT THAT SAYS IS THIS JOINT LIABILITY WILL ALLOW THEM TO FILE UNFAIR LABOR PRACTICES AGAINST THE MOTHERSHIP COMPANY, THIS CASE, McDONALD’S IN OAK CLIFF, ILLINOIS WHEN THE OWNER IN PADUCAH, KENTUCKY DOES SOMETHING WRONG. THAT’S NOT THE BEST MODEL. WHAT’S GOING TO HAPPEN IS WE’RE GOING TO — ALL STORES BECOME CORPORATE STORES. IF THEY CONTINUE TO THIS, WHY WOULD YOU SELL YOUR RIGHTS TO A FRANCHISEE UNLESS YOU CAN DICTATE EVERYTHING THEY DO, FROM WAGES ALL THE WAY UP TO LINE. I KNOW THEY ALLOW THEM TO — USE THE PACKAGING AND UNIFORMS AND THERE’S A STYLE OF HOW YOU DO BUSINESS AT McDONALD’S OR WENDY’S OR A BURGER KING. THAT’S ONE THING THEY AGREE TO. THE NOTION THAT THE FRANCHISOR COULD BE LIABLE IS A DRAMATIC SHIFT. IT SHOWS THAT THEY’LL FIND A WAY TO FIND A NEW GROUP OF WORKERS TO UNIONIZE. HOST: PETE FROM ILLINOIS, CALLER: THIS IS LABOR DAY. LISTENING TO THIS MIX CHARACTER IS LIKE LISTENING TO THE GRAND WIZARD OF THE KU KLUX KLAN THINK ABOUT THE GLORIES

00:28:12
Pedro Echevarria
OF ANTEBELLUM SOUTH ON MARTIN

00:28:14
CALLER
LUTHER KING JR.’S BIRTHDAY. RIGHTS TO WORK, MR. MIX, HAS GUTTED THE AMERICAN MIDDLE CLASS AND CONTINUES TO DO SO. THAT’S MY POINT. LABOR UNIONS BUILT MIDDLE CLASS AMERICA, CONTINUE TO SUSTAIN IT, IN SPITE OF ALL OF THE EFFORTS OF RIGHT TO WORK AND INDIVIDUALS SUCH AS YOURSELF TO DESTROY THE AMERICAN MIDDLE CLASS. WALL STREET GETS RICHER, AMERICAN WORKER GETS POORER, YEAR-BY-YEAR. AS THE NURSE FROM FLORIDA MENTIONED EARLIER, I, TOO AM A NURSE. I WORKED IN MULTIPLE ESTABLISHMENTS, YOU TRIED TO FORM A VOLUNTARY UNION, YOU SAY, SIR, YOU WILL FIND YOURSELF KICKED OUT THE DOOR FASTER THAN YOU CAN SAY, YOU KNOW, GOOD LUCK, CHARLIE. HOST: THANKS, CALLER. GUEST: IF IT HAPPENS AGAIN, GIVE US A CALL, 800-336-3600. WE HAVE 18 LAWYERS WORKING TO HELP

00:29:02
Pedro Echevarria
YOU EXERCISE YOUR RIGHTS UNDER THE LAW. THEY

00:29:04
Mark Mix
WON’T HELP YOU FORCE ANYONE ELSE TO JOIN A UNION. THEY’LL HELP YOU WITH THE RIGHT TO JOIN A UNION. WE HAVE REPRESENTED WORKERS WHO HAVE BEEN FIRED FOR TRYING TO FORM UNIONS. I’VE BEEN CALLED A LOTF OH THINGS, TIRES SLARNED, MAIL AND PICTURES WITH MY HEAD CUT OFF. I’M OFFENDED THAT YOU WOULD MAKE THAT COMPARISON AND SHOWS HOW WEAK YOUR ARGUMENT IS, SIR, IF YOU’RE GOING TO RESORT TO THAT TYPE OF BEHAVIOR. HERE’S WHAT RIGHT TO WORK LAW DOES. IT’S WHAT IT DOES. AND YOU UNDERSTAND, LOOK AT A RIGHT TO WORK LAW, THEY SIMPLY PROVIDE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR WORKERS TO CHOOSE WHETHER OR NOT TO BE PART OF A UNION AND PAY A FEE AS A CONDITION OF WORKING. THAT’S ALL THEY DO. THE ARGUMENT THAT YOU HAVE IS THAT UNION OFFICIALS HAVE A PRIMARY CONFLICT WITH THE WORKERS THEY CLAIM TO REPRESENT. BECA– USE RIGHT TO WORK IS ABOUT WORKERS HAVING THE CHOICE. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYBODY ELSE EXCEPT FOR THE PARTIES. AND WISCONSIN IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THAT. GOVERNMENT EMMRO IEES IN WISCONSIN WERE GIVEN RIGHT TO WORK PROTECTION IN ACT 10, SOME BARGAINING UNITS, 80% OF THE WORKERS VOLUNTARILY CHOSE NO LONGER TO SUPPORT THE UNION. THAT’S AN INDICTMENT ON UNION LEADERSHIP. YOU TALK TO THOSE PEOPLE ABOUT THE PROBLEM THEY HAVE WITH FORCED UNIISM. >> DONALD IS NEXT. GOOD MORNING. CALLER: I WANTED TO MAKE THE COMMENT ABOUT — WHAT MR. MIX SAID ABOUT THE VOLUNTEERISM. IT DOESN’T MAKE SENSE FOR YOU TO

00:30:27
Unidentified Speaker
BE A PART OF AN ORGANIZATION AND NOT SUPPORT

00:30:30
CALLER
IT. I MEAN, WHAT — I MEAN THE ORGANIZATION IS NOT GOING TO LAST, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT SUPPORT. SO IT DOESN’T MAKE SENSE THAT YOU WOULD — YOU MAKE SENSE THAT YOU SHOULDN’T BE FORCED TO PAY DUES. WHY WOULD YOU JOIN AN ORGANIZATION IF YOU’RE NOT GOING TO SUPPORT AN ORGANIZATION. THAT’S SILLY. GUEST: THOSE WORKERS DON’T WANT TO JOIN THE UNION. FOR EXAMPLE, A WORKER THAT VOTED NO AGAINST UNION REPRESENTATION, HOW IS IT THAT HE BASICALLY ASCENDS TO BE FORCED

00:30:59
Mark Mix
TO PAY A FEE TO A UNION HE DID NOT WANT TO BE A PART OF. IF YOU WANT TO BE A PART OF A LABOR UNION, YOU CAN PAY DUES. YOU DON’T HAVE TO WORK IN A UNION ENVIRONMENT TO PAY DUES. THEY HAVE ASSOCIATE PROGRAMS TRGS STEELWORKERS, THE AFL-CIO THEY ASK YOU TO JOIN THE UNION AS AN ORDINARY CITIZEN LIKE YOU WOULD JOIN THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE OR THE LION’S CLUB OR THE ROTARY. OF COURSE, THOSE PEOPLE WHO JOINED THE GROUPS VOLUNTARILY SUPPORT THEM FINANCIALLY. THEY DO. THAT’S THE SAME STANDARD THAT OUGHT TO BE APPLIED TO LABOR UNIONS. HOST: JOHN FROM CHAPEL HILL, NORTH CAROLINA, INDEPENDENT LINE. JOHN FROM CHAPEL HILL. GUEST: YES, GOOD MORNING, PEDRO. I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COUPLE OF

00:31:41
Pedro Echevarria
POINTS. CALLER: I THINK SOME OF THE OTHER CALLERS HAVE MADE IT. I SPENT 40 YEARS — I’M

00:31:47
Mark Mix
RETIRED. OF THOSE 40 YEARS, I WAS

00:31:51
CALLER
THE VICE PRESIDENT OF HR FOR SOME PRETTY MAJOR COMPANIES. WORK WITH UNIONS BOTH UNIONS AND WE HAD PLANTS IN RIGHT TO WORK STATES. AND I WOULD JUST SAY THIS — THE COMPANIES THAT WE ACQUIRED IN RIGHT-TO-WORK STATES, WHEN WE GOT THERE AND FOUND THE LEADERSHIP AND THE MANAGEMENT THEY HAD AND THE WAY THEY TREATED EMPLOYEES, IT WAS ABOMINABLE. AND I HAVE NEVER IN MY 40 YEARS SEEN A COMPANY BECOME UNIONIZED THAT DIDN’T DEPP SERVE TO BE UNIONIZED THE. GUEST: RIGHT. HOST: THEY DID NOT TREAT EMPLOYEES THE WAY THEY SHOULD BE TREATED. WE HAD

00:32:36
Mark Mix
A WONDERFUL RELATION

00:32:37
Pedro Echevarria
SHIPSHIP AND TO SAY EMPLOYEES DON’T HAVE THE RIGHT TO SPEAK TO MANAGEMENT WHEN THEY’RE UNIONIZED IS NOT TRUE. OR YOU HAVE THE WRONG MANAGEMENT. AND SO I WOULD SAY TO EMPLOYEES, THEY SHOULD UNDERSTAND WHO THEY’RE WORKING FOR. I SAT IN BOARD ROOMS, I SAT WITH MANY LEADERS. AND I’VE HEARD EMPLOYEES CALLED A LOT OF NAMES. AND THEY DESERVE TO BE UNIONIZED THE. GUEST: AND TO COLLECTIVELY BARGAIN. GUEST: SO, I WANTED TO ASK A QUESTION. BECA– USE THE POINT ABOUT EMPLOYER TALKING TO EMPLOYEES IN A CONTEXT OUTSIDE OF THE CONTRACT

00:33:18
Mark Mix
WOULD BE AN UNFAIR LABOR PRACTICE. YOU KNOW THAT, AS AN HR GUY,

00:33:21
Mark Mix
THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS YOU CAN DO AND CAN’T DO FOR EMPLOYEES IN A UNIONIZED ENVIRONMENT. BUT HIS POINT IS IT SPOT ON. THE FACT IS IF AN EMPLOYER IS TREATING WORKERS THAT WAY, THEY DESERVE UNIONIZATION. AND THERE’S A PROCESS FOR WORKERS TO PROCESS AND UNIONIZE IN A SITUATION LIKE THAT, NO QUESTION ABOUT IT. I MEAN, EVEN RICHARD TRUMP OF THE AFL-CIO ADMIT THEY CAN FILE A PETITION, THEY CAN HAVE AN ELECTION. THEY CAN BE IN THE UNION AND THE UNION CAN REPRESENT THEM. I KNOW THAT IT’S OVERSIMPLIFICATION OF HOW THE PROCESS WORKS. BUT THE BOTTOM LINE, NO ONE IS STOPPING YOU FROM JOINING A UNION OR ORGANIZING A UNION IN THE COUNTRY. THAT’S A FACT. HOST: ARLENE, TAMPA, FLORIDA, YOU’RE THE LAST CALL. CALLER: HELLO? HOST: YOU’RE ON, GO AHEAD. CALLER: I NEVER WAS IN A UNION. WHEN MY HUSBAND WAS

00:34:11
Pedro Echevarria
ALIVE, HE WAS IN THE

00:34:13
CALLER
INSULATED POWER PLANT ASBESTOS WORKER.

00:34:16
Pedro Echevarria
AND WHEN I WAS A NURSE

00:34:17
CALLER
FOR 30 YEARS. WHEN I WENT DOWN FOR SOCIAL SECURITY, I WAS GOING TO GIVE ME FOR WHAT I MADE, ONLY $800, FOR MY HUSBAND, I GET TWICE AS MUCH. AND MY DAUGHTER, WHO’S DISABLED GETS TWICE AS MUCH, SHE WAS GOING TO GET $600, NOW SHE GETS $1200. I’M 300% FOR UNIONS. IT’S FOR THE PEOPLE. WE — RIGHT TO WORK, WE’VE ALWAYS HAD A RIGHT TO WORK. THAT’S THE AMERICAN CONSTITUTION. GUEST: TEXAS IS A RIGHT TO WORK STATE. GOOD FOR HIM, GOOD FOR YOU. THAT’S THE WAY IT SHOULD WORK. AND IN TEXAS, HE HAD THE RIGHT TO JOIN

00:34:58
Mark Mix
VOLUNTARILY BUT COULD NOT BE COMPELLED. HOST: MARK MIX IS WITH THE NATIONAL RIGHT TO WORK FOUNDATION WITH RIGHT TO WORK STATES AND LAWS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS MORNING. GUEST: MY PLEASURE, THANK YOU. HOST: COMING UP

00:35:12
Pedro Echevarria
TOMORROW, THE FOCUS IS ON BACK TO SCHOOL. SCHOOL-RELATED ISSUES. IF YOU WANT TO JOIN IN, WE’LL HAVE THOMAS

00:35:20
Mark Mix
00:35:21
Pedro Echevarria
GINSELL WITH THE NATIONAL SCHOOL BOARD ASSOCIATION. THE ROLE OF SCHOOL BOARDS ESPECIALLY WITH THE ISSUE OF COMMON CORE. AND FOLLOWING THAT, AN HOUR LONG DISCUSSION ON COMMON CORE. THE PORTHAM INSTITUTE AND NEIL McCLUS I CAN OF THE KATO INSTITUTE WILL BE ALONG WITH THE DISCUSSION AS WE LOOK AT SCHOOL-RELATED ISSUES ON TOMORROW’S WASHINGTON JOURNAL. THAT SHOW STARTS AT 7:00 A.M. SEE YOU THEN. >>

*The transcript for this program was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.